Dailion Tower

[OneBun]

GamersHood,
The author of this game does not let you win unless you pay a fee. Personally, I am not against this, as I have helped out some great game sites out there. However, for this game could you put a warning on the game about this? Also, this is just my opinion, but the author has changed the game several times because we as players have reported glitches. They have constantly had to fix things for us to continue. I do not trust that I would be paying fo a good product from this person. I am not naive enough to give money to a person I do not trust. I have posted comments, about this opinion, for them to read at that game forum so they can see how I feel. I will also try to contact them personally about this as well. I just thought it was important that I let you know all of this.
Thanks for hearing my concerns.
OneBun
:poze:

I tried to contact Dailion but the only way to contact them is through sending money through the email bank. Check out thier actual game you have posted. They do not give an email. I tryed www.dailion.com (http://www.dailion.com) but the site is nothing. It makes my trust level sink even lower.

[Chimark]

GamersHood,
Like may others, I have spent countless hours playing this game the last week only to find out at the end that in order to reach the game's final outcome, I must pay the creators of the game. And like many others, we were used this last week basically as testers in order to weed out the numerous amount of glitches (I'm sure you're well aware of this due to the number of times the game had to be reloaded to the site). Perhaps if there had been a clear message at the beginning that this was a pay game, many people would not have put so much time into playing (and testing) this particular game.

For future reference, please make sure in a clear way that the people playing games are informed either from GamersHood or the game creators that there will be a required payment in order to finish a game. I also think it would be nice to know whether a game has been beta-tested before it has been posted as well. If you read through the forum for this game, it's clear that alot of people put in alot of time helping the programmers perfect thir game. When I finally reached the surprise ending (that I had to pay) I felt a bit used.

I do not mind paying for games if I feel it is worth my money. However, this game was in no way complete when I started playing it, and wasn't completed until approximately week after its initial posting. And I think it's safe to say that without the input of the people who played the game, it would have taken much longer for the programmers to finish it.

Thank you and keep up the good work!

[Tarya Nórui]

Can't add anything to what OneBun and Chimark wrote. Really frustrating after spending so much time with this.

[GamersHood]

You are absolutely true. I'm sorry but i did'nt know the payment thingy.
Dailion mailed the game and he mentioned that there will be 2 endings. One is free and the second is not. Now it comes out that there's no free ending.

Anyway, i just got the letter from Dailion. The game is updated again. But i don't know is there a free ending.

And i'll warn the people.

And more. If you wish you can contact Dailion:
doonybrasco [at] hotmail.com

[OneBun]

Thanks GamersHood. They will be hearing from me. However, I will not be trying thier new version. They have already waisted enough days of my life. I do appreciate that you care. It does not change my opinion that this is a great site!

Everybody,
Here is the message I emailed to them:
"Dailian,"
I am not at all impressed with how you treated all of us at our gaming site. Frankly, even if you try to make it all right, I will still make no further attempts to try your game, as I am sure others would agree. I do not like that I, as well as others, helped contribute to you perfecting your game, and then you expect me to pay you for my help? Real authors test their games before going public. I have given some really great game sites money for thier games so they might be able to give us more. I really think that is important. However, I do not trust that you will give me the so-called "correct code." It amazes me that the only way you allow me to contact you was through a bank. I just don't trust you, and you earned that comment. I will not be playing any more of your games. I am just not impressed.
OneBun

[Mistery]

I have to tell that I am really angry! Spent hours on this buggy game and this is the end... This is no fair tactics at all! I'm also developing games but I never thought about letting people test it and suddenly put a fee on it. Look at the Obion games. I mean they also can have bugs at the start, but this is told clearly by the authors. And if you post your feedbacks, they are taken seriously. Bug fix is made very quickly and the game stays free!
I have visited the homepage of Dailion, and this is absolutely impossible: you see a desk with two and a half pc's and a chair. Above you can read: "Now working". THAT'ALL!!! No e-mail, no guest book, nothing. This is just ridiculous! And very far from professional. Even for very simple homepages it is a must to have some contact adress or the possibility to post feedbacks or questions! Dailion is on my blacklist, I'm not interested in any forthcoming games (either free or pay games, doesn't matter anymore).

[dailion]

I said it the first day, and in the section collaborate always it was.
have 3 ends. one is the wake up(free), and the other 2 is paying.

I do not deal because you give all motives for which not to pay, not pay and end problem.
If so bad it is the game, and it has so many failures. Not play.But Not say that I did not say it, there are in previus posts.

gamershood If you want to remove the game because I ask for money, remove it.No problem. Saludos !

[Mistery]

First of all, where did you say it in the first day? There are many game forums and you did not post this is all of them. I started this game on another forum, so I could not read any post of you. And people who want to play a game do not read first the credits, the colaborate etc., they click on play. And as there was a possibility to write two visible sentences
("More of 40 scenes planes. More of 60 utils objects.3 end's, posibility to dead. posibility to perfect game. So hard , So long. Support And highscore completed.") under the game, you could have pointed out there, that people had to pay.
And the question is not if the game will be removed from Gamershood or not, but how the members of the different game forums (and guests on these game forums) react to such a tactic...

[andrew]

Like everyone else, I've been playing this game since 3/14 and am pretty pissed off. We've worked out your many bugs and there are plenty left still. Your "colaborate" screen calls the 1.3 euros a "donation," and a donation is by definition voluntary.

None of the flash game authors on this site make this kind of demand, and you have no right to either. Fasco-cs (Viridian room etc) requests a few yen for their games. They are challenging, interesting, you can complete them, and they are bug free. I was happy to give them money.

Your free ending is worthless because we could have taken that exit at any point after 100%.

Instead, we kept playing and working out bugs because we knew there was something more -- only to find out we have to pay to get it. You're not getting anything from me because you have wasted my time. And even if you give us a perfectly working game that is honestly for free, I'm not going to donate. Consider it payback.

[Lingo]

Dailion or Kitz,
before paying...there are questions.
about the "Support" column.

1. "kotaro-korea?"
I felt it was a very funny joking part of this game truly...!
Why don't you know whether KOTARO is using which language?
Why kotaro doesn't teach it to you Dailion when he Email or pay?
He really hope voluntarily "Support"?

Because we know, there are NOTHING such as "help" or "language version".
Even if you cannot read and can not attach the distinction of Japanese and Korean, you should know that many people including me can read those ''Foreign support forum'' from the first.

2."Help. and language version"?
*NO* kidding. FUNNY.
at least eg. Kotaro's BLOG is *NOT* the special support forums for Dailion Tower.

I think, Kotaro found this game on here or other gaming sites, and he only simply introduced this game, and people are just writing help for by yourself while referring to this forum and other sites. That's right?
Then, people suddenly noticed the possibility of payment BY YOURSELF.
It seems that things happened the same as gamestood's forum.

When at first -and even now- Kotaro himself write *NOTHING* about the payment. I think it is natural and not his responsibility, because the English language of your game was not able to be read first by too much *broken*.
Kotaro clearly wrote he did not finish this game, and wrote hopes for more information on this game too, from the first introduction.
SO?
It seemed he is not "Supported the game" from the start as for this game, and he did not know Dailion's E-mail.


THERE IS A QUESTION
1.when did Kortaro apply for "Support" to your game?
2.When did he pay you and when clear the game?
3.do you recognize all the people who just introduced the game to "Supporter"?
Even if "Support" is not actually no there?

DO NOT misunderstanding...
I think the game was happy even if　it doesn't end and I was very confused. BUT if the confusion is found in "Support", ofcourse we mention it. we just want to know.

gamershood If you want to remove the game because I ask for money, remove it.No problem. Saludos !
if you really think so, Why you do not think that its necessary to inform your ''Support site'' too...but well...It doesn't become awful so much as you imagine.
Even if you will know people in the world never trust your games or jobs,
and Its just a thing happening on Dailion Tower's ''support site'' now,
YES Its No problem for me.

c h i a o

[OneBun]

Lingo,
I just want to clarify with you that Kitz is not a responsilbe party. They are just another player who has been duped by Dailion just like the rest of us. I will assure you that they feel the same about the whole thing as the rest of us who have posted in this section. We should leave responsibility where it belongs--on the Author only. Kitz is smart and good people!

[Mistery]

I believe you that as I have also seen Kitz trying to find out the solutions. But it stumped me when I read in the credits that somebody called Kitz was developing (or was responsible for) the english version.

[OneBun]

Mystery that is interesting! I did not catch that before. I hope it is just coincidence! I did hear from them that they were embarassed that they got dragged into this. I will try to find thier message they PM to me and I will post it here.

[Mistery]

Mystery that is interesting! I did not catch that before. I hope it is just coincidence! I did hear from them that they were embarassed that they got dragged into this. I will try to find thier message they PM to me and I will post it here.

Well if you read the credits it says clearly:

English version by: Kitz

[OneBun]

I will take the flack for making thier comments to me in a PM public. I think it may clarify how they really feel. They said to me:
Hi

god where do I start I feel such a damn fool by being dragged into this. I have no association with dailion. For nearly a week now Ive played this game every spare minute of the day (and night).

I started it nearly a week ago, then came to the forums after I'd been working on it for about 15 hours by myself. At that time, you and me were at about the same point. Then I found the millenium tree and posted hints on how to get that.. somehow I feel as if I got sucked into it.

Jeez I really enjoyed playing the damn game and I kept thinking I was so nearly there. I found the secret room on friday night, but dailion asked me to keep it quiet yesterday. I passed him bug reports and glitches.

So you can imagine my dismay when I saw on the forums today that he has released a new version which makes it much easier to find the secret room, yet hes changed the codes and the way it works.
(Remember the old version was a black slot, and there was no indication of which floor it was on.)
Well it was pure guesswork working out which floor to go to, and the code from heaven, and where it went.

Ironically I so enjoyed the game, that I probably would have sent a small donation, but now............

In a way, I agree that it would be good for donations for his hard work and effort that he has put into the game, but I still dont think perhaps it was made clear enough to us from the beginning. Maybe it was a language thing?

I emailed dailion today when I saw what was happening thinking there was some mistake perhaps because of the language. But it would appear it was perhaps his intention to do this all along he says the info is there on the game, that you have to pay for the full ending. I sent a suggestion to make an "alternative" all tasks completed screen.

Ive played todays game once and noticed changes, like how you cant get the ring etc.. and now how its impossible become a "leyend" without getting a code from him.
I honestly thought there was going to be a different ending once you had found the secret room and had completed all the tasks.

It was a good game and I thoroughly enjoyed it... up until today... as the latest developments

Shit I even have a load of transcripts here that I was doing to make the game better for the english speaking players, to make it more understandable.
But now I dunno what to do.. aside from feeling stupid, and too embarrased to even post on the forum right now

/.... slinks away :/
So, as I've said before, I really think they were used the most. To be honest seeing this new spin on things I still blame Dailian b/c he is put Kitz on there for helping with translation. Kitz also tryed to help us in the forum with some of the translating he had been doing. I believe they are an outside source. Dailion just wants you all to believe they are working for them. Just like all these game sites being "supporters." Yeah? I just can't believe that.

[Ling]

Thank you for informing and I'm sorry for misunderstanding...If it was a mistake.
The doubt that 'Kitz was a companion?' was already being written on the Blog of Kotaro also.
(the Comment by guest someone, not by the Blog Author Kotaro)
I read it and maybe misunderstood, sorry.

But it seems people who are writing information understand the situation almost accurately reading the support site in each country, maybe I need take more time to understand well...anyway, i will read all the post of the forum again, and after that, I will question and confirm Kotaro or someone if there is a necessity at that time.

I just think now, mostly -or perhaps all- the site on this game's ''support'' screen are NOT actually supporting ...and such as my misunderstanding has happened still now all over the world.

Dailion...
Shy.

[Mistery]

@OneBun:
Yeah okay I see it. Well of course Kitz was used because all these things went wrong. On the other hand it is somehow also correct from Daillion to mention somebody (giving somebody a credit) who helped a lot in the game. I think it would not be a problem at all (or even a positive thing) if everything else had been correct, too. But now that the reputation of Daillion is bad, it is of course also bad for Kitz of being mentioned - it's a weird story.

[OneBun]

I have been trying to chase the reputation of one of our fellow members for a couple of days now because they were brought into this like the rest of us. Like us, they were given what I will now refer to as "unfinished" information. I truly feel for them that they niavely got sucked into the middle of this. I posted the PM to try to clear this up for you all, and to help you all understand why I support Kitz. Like me, they enjoy trying out new authors games. Like us, if they knew they were going to be used, they would not have played it, just as we would not have played either.

Oh, and i do realize that Kitz was not brought into "helping" until they downloaded a picture of the Tree. Dailion had asked for proof so they downloaded the image. Because they were first to find this, and is why they were hand picked by Dailion as thier helper.
This is where they started helping Dailion (note they say this is where it began in their PM):
http://gamershood.com/forum/showpost.php?p=34940&postcount=260
They posted here b/c they can't post pictures on Lazylaces (They said that to Dailion at that site).
This is where they "won" the game by Dailion's "standards":
http://gamershood.com/forum/showpost.php?p=35263&postcount=437

[Lingo]

P.S.
This is quite irrelevant to the point how this game was introduced on this forum or other sites.
''Kotarou'' is not the "Supporter". its clear thing.
The name of people who introduced information about this game are another person, If Dailion really read the article that Kotarou wrote, he knew.

I do not think that this is a problem, and he method of advertising of Dailion and people who use the advertisement oppositely might be OK.
But Mr. Dailion,
It is shameful thing to write the LIE...Don't you think so?
What I want to say is just only it.

You know this picture works of Japanese comic artist.
http://7andy.yahoo.co.jp/books/detail?accd=07075847
http://7andy.yahoo.co.jp/books/detail?accd=31092844

Dailion,
It informs the publisher. The copyright infringement : it is clear If there is payment of the charge.
Even if people on your "support" site will assume the responsibility instead of you, it is not my problem.
IT'S YOUR OWN RISK.

BYE

[OneBun]

Wow Lingo! Before I heard from Kitz, a piece of me felt sorry for Dailion. I had hoped our feedback had helped them to learn a lesson. They did deserve to hear how we felt/feel. I did not begin to get angry until poor Kitz told me about the bad rap they were recieving! Now, just to escalate me more, I now am hearing this news! That news is the most startling so far, and I thought we were done hearing it all about this person. Lets see they:

1. Used a player for thier translation skills and tryed to pass them off as an employ of thiers.
2. Used world wide game forum players and members for debugging
3. And now we found out they have used the art of others?

It takes a great deal for me to really detest someone, but I have to admit, they really have completely angered me now! My problem IS NOT 1.3 EURO, but that Dailion is a...

1. A Fraud
2. A User
3. A thief!

Can't get much worse than that by my standards! :mad: :ban:

[andrew]

If anyone followed the comments on Lazylaces, it was clear that Kitz was just another player like the rest of us... a very bright guy, too. He helped out Dailion a lot with bugs and translation (I noticed the English improved considerably), and Dailion gave him credit for it in later versions. At least Dailion was grateful to *someone* -- though I somehow suspect he won't be sending Kitz a penny of anything he gets for his game.

Kitz, if you're out there, don't feel bad, you were doing what you thought was the right thing. I really appreciate the effort you put in to making it a better game. The part you wrote really helped me understand it better. If anyone misunderstands your role, don't let it get you down. You did a great job, and I feel sorry that it's turned out this way. You were duped, we were all duped. But we all enjoyed the game while it lasted. Dailion is strictly the one responsible for making it go sour.

ps/ I just checked a cached copy of a version of the game from 3/17/06. It does not credit Kitz or have any line for "English version."

[kitz]

Ive now had a few days to think things through. This post probably wont be short so bear with me please.

Firstly I would like to clarify a few points here:-

1). I am NOT associated with Dailion in any way, shape for form.
I am just a player like you guys, that got involved simply because I played the game.

I had spent a whole day & most of the night playing this on my own and had got quite far. Then I came to read this forum only when I'd got stuck to see if anyone had got any further.
You can see here (http://gamershood.com/forum/showpost.php?p=34824&postcount=180) that I was playing one of the games with bugs in (ladder-v-arrow).
I was the first to find the millennium tree, and possibly the first to find the "white ice room" and how to use the arrow of truth and possibly to get 100%? which confused me as to why the game didn't end at 100%. I think after that point was where dailion said about 140%...
.......Then also obviously the first to work out how to find the secret room

Anyhow I played the game for several more days and (nights).. kept thinking I was "nearly there" most of the time from this point onwards, you will see several of my posts scattered through the thread as we each found new things.

2). Several other peoples tips helped me, in particular with the lipstick/cushion+shoe are ones that I can think of right now and there may be more, so thanks to those that passed that info on. :)
I had my own excel "crib sheet" which I started long before I saw OneBuns walkthough,
But a seriously big credit must go to OneBun for compiling one on the open forums which must have taken him a lot of time to put together and keep updated.

3). One thing I was NOT aware of from the beginning is that you had to pay to be able to complete the game. Even up to the weekend I still thought there was going to be another ending if you had completed all the tasks, and it was at this point that I realised that there was going to be some awfully disappointed people. I e-mailed Dailion and suggested that he at least put in a "tasks completed" screen.

On Saturday night/sunday morning early hours, I was disappointed for you guys because this was the first time that it became apparent to me that there wasnt a different ending unless you made a contribution. That is the point when I felt peed about all this and everything that had gone on.

4). I am unaware that Dailion has put my name in the credits for the translation - I haven't touched the game since the weekend.
In fact I still have here a lot of the English translations that I haven't yet posted. afaik the translations that Dailion has used are exactly the same ones that I posted here on this forums for the benefit of other people on this forum who were also playing the game.

Okay that said.........

I thoroughly enjoyed playing the game, I enjoyed the tasks, I enjoyed the challenge.
Some of the room graphics were beautiful (white ice room, statue room etc).
Having dabbled with graphics I can appreciate the time that must have gone into making those.

Ive also programmed, so I'm very well aware that bugs and glitches creep into programs where you are least aware, and sometimes things dont get spotted until it does go live, as sometimes its impossible to think of all events and combinations of events that may make things not quite work as you had originally planned.

Ive seen a fair bit of criticism on here about him releasing a version that is in pigeon English.
In all fairness you have to remember that it is obvious that Dailion is Spanish, hence why that game was released in Spanish and he tried to do an English version as best he could. I know damn well that if I made a program, no way would I be able to translate it into any other language. That part of the criticism I feel is very unfair.

I'm not sure, but I think "Dailion" is just one person, possibly a youngish male who has probably spent an awful lot of time and effort into putting this game together. I should imagine something like this would have taken weeks/months to put together.
Its very easy to slate someone else's work, but could we have put something together like this?

So perhaps where did dailion go wrong in our eyes?

The main thing was not making this 100% clear from the start that you could only properly complete the game if you made a donation. The term he used was colaberation (Esp), which doesnt make it clear what the intentions of the game was. To us whose native tongue is English collaborate means "work together".

However, if you read the page with hindsight, you can read through the poor english translation to see what the intention was from the start.
My gosh isn't hindsight a wonderful thing?

Is it possible that the Spanish term colaberation means contribution (of funds) rather than collaboration (of minds)? Subtle difference - notice the spelling difference. :/



Finally

On reflection the amount he is asking is 1.3 Euros... (appx 90p or $1.50) which is hardly a lot for a game that did keep me occupied for days.

After having had a couple of days to think things over, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt, and hope a lot of the confusion has occurred because of the Spanish to English translation.

I havent corresponded with Dailion since I "completed" the game and the new version was released.

I was shocked myself on Sunday morning about the payment situation not having been made clear, but Ive hopefully been sensible enough to take a step back and look at the overall situation in an unbiased light without letting my own emotions come into it?

I will however mail him later today and ask that the colaboration page be changed to make things clearer for those of us that speak native English.
You see the thing is I dont mind paying if Ive enjoyed the game.. its just disappointing to only find out at when you are so near the end.

[edited due to tryp0s]

[Lingo]

Of course, my problem is NOT 1.3 EURO too, even I know some kind of people does not believe it what i say...Anyway, I'm sorry to say it seems the problem is still intricacy.
I esteem the opinion of people who seek for information to nothing but enjoy playing this game, I write the information only in this forum not the Escape The Room Games section.
Now Dailion have moved Kotaro the supporter from Korea to Japan,
but "Artistic Design and Art direction : Dailion" is still odd.


3. And now we found out they have used the art of others?
NO, It is not ''Now''. in other words...People who read the Japanese comics mentioned well about it from the beginning.

Informations:
1.Maybe almost all the poster pictures are Copyrighted.
The pictures has the Style, so Many Many people mentioned. Though I do not think I have abundant knowledge concerning the comic, I also understood soon.

2. It can read the Name of the author with right the comic arts,
in the FIRST comment post on the "support" Brog.

3.And you will know there might be more plagiarism besides art of the Posters.

4.And, the worst.
It seems this comic arts are not the one scanned from the cover of the comics.
I think...There is a possibility that the obtained route is illegal if Dailion is not a Japanese comic mania.

[OneBun]

Kitz,
It was good to log in and finally see that you were able to tell everyone where you stand. I respect that! I have always known you were another fellow player. I have to say Dailion has always given you attention and has always been nice to you. I am not saying there is anything wrong with that. You were ahead and Dailion did see how much effort you put in. I think it was good they noticed your efforts. I just think you were used and do not see it. I have known from the start that you were not involved. I am sure you were just a surprised as I was to find out your name had appeared on the credits

It may appear in this thread that I did not read the "credits" page Dailion posted in their game. I did. Everyday I checked to see if there was a "Leyend." I even noted if the "support" section grew. There was even one day where Dailion removed all of the supporters from that section. So, I was looking. I know your name was not there at the start, or I would have remembered it. I did the same thing as you for several days. I just gave this game so much attention. I hit so many glitches so I posted them. Dailion listen to a great deal of your complaints because you were ahead. He would go and fix them only to create new glitches. It was frustrating to me because I would be held back because of the glitches. I would tell Dailion there was a glitch, and they would rudely answer that it was already fixed and this was a good version. Many of mine were ignored or given a sarcastic answer, only to find out my found glitches had been accurate. He was quite rude to me and often dishonest to me. When you were given a good answer for your finds you felt appreciated. When I was given an a rude answer for my finds, I felt used. This pattern of being used kept escalating my frustration with Dailion. To be honest, I started losing enjoyment in this game about the third day in, but I stuck with it because, that far in, I wanted to finish. I am not a quiter... and a lot of my fellow gamers know that about me. I was not surprised most people felt as used as I was at the end because this happened so often. I don't think you feel it because you did not hit this as much as some of us other players.

Also, you can see I did tell Dailion how they treated me. I did not share every email I sent to Dailion here... I did keep it private. But, I will say, He, like you, thought it was about the money for me. That was his first response in my personal conversations through email. I explained it to Dailion just as I have here. Now, Dailion really does understand, at least with me, that it is not a money thing, but how I was treated. Dailion even made a rude comment to me in the email, that I will not repeat here. I used that opportunity to show Dailion that this was my problem with them (using comments like that). I will assure you that now, on my part, Dailion really does understand it is not about the money with me. They admitted they were an "egotist" to me. If you read my very first post in this thread you can see my problem has never been about the money. I am like the other players I was just plain disrespected.

I think it was good that you got credit for your hours of efforts. Just as a side note, I have a note pad where I compared the English version notes in the game to the Spanish version notes in the game. I have approximately 10 pages for each with notes of the changes as they came up. I just did not post like you. I thought my walkthrough was taking enough effort to keep accurate. I would never of had time to continue the game had I done that. There were some notes in the English version that were still in Spanish, which you helped me with. I do not forget that! You really did do a great deal.

Almost daily, Dailion looks less and less polished to me. And now that I am hearing they may have stolen a comic's art, I am even more bothered. I tryed to investigate into the Japanese comics world, but the language barrier has hindered my efforts so far. I want to find the artist and ask if Dailion payed to use their work. If he did then he would be off the hook on this for me. The dishonesty he has shown to me personally makes me wonder. This is why I want to find out for myself.

Anyway, these are just my personal opinions, Kitz, about why I feel the way I do. I really do appreciate you and your great gaming skills! I hope to see you in more happy moments in the game forums, here at GamersHood.

[guest]

What are you all people talking?

and what wrong with the lazylace?

I saw there a mean Dailion laught at people that we can't win this game. Dailion suck cause he hate people want to win!!!!! He want people to lost the game.

Dailion need grow up and be nice to each other when we try to play that game.

[jack]

and what wrong with the lazylace?


It's fine for me :)

[Mistery]

What are you all people talking?

and what wrong with the lazylace?

I saw there a mean Dailion laught at people that we can't win this game. Dailion suck cause he hate people want to win!!!!! He want people to lost the game.

Dailion need grow up and be nice to each other when we try to play that game.

The problem is that if you post at Lazylaces you can choose any name. So I dont't think that these comments were written by the real Daillion. So if you see any post of somebody, you can not be sure who really wrote it.

[guest2006]

Dailion wrote it in a Japanese forum.

http://jbbs.livedoor.jp/bbs/read.cgi/game/17007/1142394562/121-122

No.122 guy says.
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We help you that you gain by copyright infringement game?
Do you say that we are deceived as well as the person who translated English version?
NO!
Translate it by yourself,you are Yuki Kaori otaku!!
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Yuki Kaori is author of pictures, she and company(白泉社 hakusensha) have copyright with those pictures.
page of copyright of 白泉社.
http://www.hakusensha.co.jp/copyright/copyright.html

[OneBun]

Oh, I see sombody already updated us on the artist! I came across the information through much difficulty because I do not speak Japanese. The web page that gave me the information was this one:
http://www.witch-hunter.net/manga/angels/angels2.html
Recognize anything? Note the artist's name is at the bottom!

...which led me to this...

Yuki Kaori has a Gallery Page here (English version):
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/4233/yuki.html
There is also a fan site:
http://www.oldcrows.net/~myyah/ANGEL/index2.html
The email is:
kouryu@geocities.com
I contacted them to see if permission was given... I'm awaiting the response.

[jinred]

It's strange. I went to the Japanese forum posted by guest2006, and found the last post is 121, the one posted by Dailion, but the front page did indiciate there's 122 reponses for the Dailion Tower topic. Could it be possible that someone took out the 122 post?

[guest2006]

No. 122 was judged as abusive words, and it was deleted.
【Deletion request thread】
http://jbbs.livedoor.jp/bbs/read.cgi/game/17007/1135082731/299-


The editing administration bureau of Hakusensya
henkan@hakusensha.co.jp

E-mail form
https://www.hakusensha.co.jp/inquiry/mail.html

[OneBun]

There are several things i learned in my research, the name of the artist, their company, thier beautiful an special Angel collection, thier books, and their comics. Seeing the last post clarifies everything for me. The company "Hakusensya Co." is the Corporation for Yuki Kaori's art. It takes Dailion off the radar for me for the art "stealing." I did not get a response back from my email inquiry but this comment by guest makes me think the company is supporting Dailion.

[Lingo]

@OneBun,
guest2006 (not ME) wrote, it is right. and Your opinion is a mistake.
Yuki Kaori has no official site by herself. If you want to obtain the use permission, The person to whom you should do contact is only a publisher, (C)HAKUSENSHA, and The guest2006 is not a person in the company.
If you think you needs more information,here.

The Author (C)Kaori Yuki
Book Title (C)Angel Sanctuary
Publisher (C)HAKUSENSHA
HAKUSENSHA is a one of BIG company that manages and publishes a lot of comics in Japan.
http://www.s-book.com/plsql/com2_detail?isbn=4592128494
http://www.s-book.com/plsql/com2_detail?isbn=4592176707
You can serch some titles also in amazon like this.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00005NO3L/
at google images, as the word "Kaori Yuki", "Angel Sanctuary" or "Angel Sanctuary +Sara", Two more images will be found Unauthorized Using in The Dailion Tower,
But TAKE CARE, those sites are "unofficial sites". and though a lot of unofficial sites are writing the copyright, Dailion's game is different.


OneBun,
I think sorry for you because maybe I makes you tired much too...I never want to perplex you. I want to help very much for you, kitz, and all the other players even when I feel something not good about Dailion. If you think that I am writing this mere and nastily, its wrong. So If the inquiry in Japanese is necessary, I will do.
But well, the most big problem is there. Only Dailion knows where he gets images or objects from. If we do not know it, Permission is not obtained. Shall I write to the company, about the existence of the copyright infringement game? The inquiry only informs it. You should not think that it is permission that there is no answer.

note: The poster of the pink haired girl is another artist's work.
At Japanese forum, there is a person who is making remarks that several items are another click games. (I am not sure about it)

No one can solve his own problems as long as he doesn't hope this end.

@Dailion
If not the Report but the Suggestion is necessary, I do so.
Change the plagiarism including the picture of the poster into another.
AND, Stop the Japanese's being made a supporter without their permission while copyrighting violating a Japanese pictures. It is not only your trobles.

[OneBun]

Lingo, I am not the type of person to to jump to conclusions until I have the facts. I am not going to make judgments about this unless i hear from the official source. I realize it is a big company, but it really is the holding place for her work. I was not able to contact through the main company because I do not speak Japanese. I had to go with an English speaking source. I still am not going to judge Dailion until there is real proof. Who knows, maybe i will get a response to my email that will clarify all this. As for now I agree with your statement I really am tired of all of this. btw I did not assume "guest" was you. I realize they are another person.

Lingo if you speak japanese please contact the company to find out. I cannot because of the language barrier. It is better to discuss this with a direct source.

[gurst]

Lingo, I am not the type of person to to jump to conclusions until I have the facts. I am not going to make judgments about this unless i hear from the official source. I realize it is a big company, but it really is the holding place for her work. I was not able to contact through the main company because I do not speak Japanese. I had to go with an English speaking source. I still am not going to judge Dailion until there is real proof. Who knows, maybe i will get a response to my email that will clarify all this. As for now I agree with your statement I really am tired of all of this. btw I did not assume "guest" was you. I realize they are another person.

Lingo if you speak japanese please contact the company to find out. I cannot because of the language barrier. It is better to discuss this with a direct source.


maybe they were pratice and teach any laguage word at school. if you go to school and you will learn it. as for me I 'm going to school and pratice teahing any laguage.

[Mouse]

-grumbles loudly- @#*% DALION THAT IS NOT @#*%$!* COOL

[Lingo]

@OneBun,
Ok, We can help each other with pleasure. If you really hope so, I will inquire later.
But well, Please read this first with your favorite translation site if necessary,
The official source for proof.
1st, The copyright is described clearly in the artist's all works on the official site.
http://www.hakusensha.co.jp/comicate/comi_no53/yuki/yuki.html
AND then, The Copyrights Information is here.
http://www.hakusensha.co.jp/copyright/copyright.html

Sorry for rough and badly translation...but somebody needs!

Images and Copyrights

Prohibition act
*applied to all the publications or the site images and informations of HAKUSENSHA Co.*
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1.Publishing or Reprint Copying
2.Publishing or Reprinting the imitate creations
(cartoon, novel, illustration, parody, and poetry, etc.)
3.Using for your computer software, icons, and wallpapers, etc.
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All above-mentioned acts are the violation act in the Copyright Law
regardless of the commercialized profit-pursuing or non-profit.
When you do above-mentioned acts, you must mind the possibility that we will take legal measures.
(C)HAKUSENSHA Co.

Yes, Dailion's act has NOT been welcomed Even if we have some objection in the method of managing the copyright of this company.

OneBun, You and I cannot answer from where came the reprinted images without permission, many people specified for the "support" sites are too. I never want to threw neither you nor the "supporter" into his troubles anymore. So the situation will be written in detail because I do not want to have the publisher think that people on the "support" site cooperated in this plagiarism. There is no other way we can choise.
Then, I will write CLEARLY Dailion's E-mail address for Reply as Corresponding clerk of person in charge because That's true. The person has the responsibility is Dailion, NOT ANYONE ELSE, and he is requesting now translator at the forum in Japan.

@Dailion
you add another Japanese forum on "Support" section, and I just Pity Seriously with you now...If you knows what conversations are there you never want to have people read. Here and there, its not only me...Wake UP hurry and Realize your every acts are very comical and misery now.
People wants to summon you, Dailion.
:alc: :kos: :git:

*Adding Edit*
English copyrights is here.licensed Company.
http://www.viz.com/copyrights/

[OneBun]

...*Adding Edit*
English copyrights is here.licensed Company.
http://www.viz.com/copyrights/
I inquired that this source investigate and get back to me. I will wait and see if I get a response there. I have not heard from the other source I contacted. I realize these investigations take time. Sometimes they do not respond back, but they do investigate, that is for sure. Thanks Lingo for the English translation. I know the efforts in finding out must be a lot of work for you too.

[Lingo]

OneBun, I like Online surfing, Don't mind. PM anytime when you need.
But Please, if you really became tired, give up this game any time. Because gamershood FANS worry about you rather than Dailion, You are not responsible of the confusion. Now I also know devoted acts of you or Kitz is understood well among Japanese people too.

*sorting Information*
HAKUSENSHA: The Company manages Copyrights of Yuki Kaori's work.
http://www.hakusensha.co.jp/copyright/copyright.html
VIZ Media: publisher for overseas
http://www.viz.com/copyrights/
HAKUSENSHA and VIZ Media, are the subsidiary companies in other MAJOR company.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIZ_Media

Yuki Kaori's Page for overseas FANS
http://www.shojobeat.com/manga/gc/
(Shojobeat is the magazine that VIZ Media publishes.)

[Unregistered123]

i think than like another independent games maker you have to try find money too, i mean he has too pay rent too, i been playing gamen like grown up game and the ask for a colaboration and give you a gift back.. this is no a pay game... you no have to pay for play... but you can give a colaboration and them they give you a gift back...

but NOW: no like hey pay tarararara $ exactly... this have to be more like give whatever you whant, no like a quota.. you know what i mean??

[OneBun]

I have recieved a new email from Dooney Brasco aka the creator of the fraudulant Dallion Series he has claimed to have improved the Submachine game. Please be aware that this game does not belong to Dooney. this is the fraud game:
http://www.dailion.com/games/games/pillaje/s3.swf (http://www.dailion.com/games/games/pillaje/s3.swf)

...he is trying to pass off this game as his Spanish version!

As quoted in my email... "Version Craked in spanish of SubMachine 3" ... words form Dooney Brasco :mad:

Here is "his" games to avoid:
http://www.dailion.com/games/ (http://www.dailion.com/games/)

Here is the site he loves to give out so you cannot find him:
http://www.dailion.com (http://www.dailion.com)

I have been watching him closely since we discovered his efforts too use the work of others. Seems the drama continues.

[the dunce]

hey i never played dailion tower whats wrong with it? should i not play it or something?

edit: oh i get it he steals games


edit edit: i just looked he has leaving your room 5 on his site!!!

[ThemePark]

This is beginning to sounds like Ebaumsworld :S

[the dunce]

lol next people will be making flash videos about how dailion sucks and post it on newgrounds lol

[Stickman220]

True lol

[SamWyatt]

OneBun,
After reading through this whole thread, I would like to thank you for all the research that you have been doing to get to the bottom of this "saga" (for want of a better word!).
I'm glad that I read this thread before I spent too many hours before realising that there would be a fee for the true ending, which would have made me feel cheated and used.
I have been a member of this site for long enough to know that you are a great and honest gamer, and therefore I respect and trust the information that you have given us.
Thanks again :)

[OneBun]

I will always stand just against this "creator." They have taken a number of games since I've created this thread, & edited them for thier benefit. To me this is still stealing. I just do not trust him at all. :( It still mkaes me so upset even after all this time that he continues to con the gaming world players. :sad:

Thanks Sam. ;) :hug2:

[Lilliputt]

I agree with Sam. I think you are one of the most honest and serious gamer I know, OneBun. I'd always take your word for it on matters like this. I'd like to give a word of appreciation for your research about this too. Thank you so much for making the effort. You are OneTrueGemBun to this site, dear wonderful OneBun!!! :hug2:

[bread]

lol next people will be making flash videos about how dailion sucks and post it on newgrounds lol

I'm really tempted to do that now :P